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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtnewsnviews.com/2010/06/28/arizonas-pinocchio-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1762</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amount of illegals coming over the border is at its lowest in ten years....where&#039;s the bleed? And not one of them, Brewer, Pearce or Arpaio has mentioned work permits, they&#039;ve only screamed invaders and lock them up. McCain, once talked about those things, when he was under the guidance of smart people like Kennedy, but now that he&#039;s on his own he doesn&#039;t know who to pander to. 

Show me the calm discussion about work permits, extending visas, fixing our immigration process so it actually makes sense... show me any of that from our wonderful Arizona GOP, and then everyone is ready to talk. Show us they want to fix the problem, rather than scare their voters into thinking the problem is really bigger than it is. We all know we have hard working illegals here, none of us have seen any facts about beheadings or invasions...and yet, here we are. 

Remember, crime by illegals lowest in ten years, number of illegals coming into US lowest in ten years, most being deported by Obama Administration in more than ten years.....so again, what&#039;s the &#039;real&#039; issue here? Bleeding only counts if there&#039;s actual blood...otherwise it&#039;s just a bunch of words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of illegals coming over the border is at its lowest in ten years&#8230;.where&#8217;s the bleed? And not one of them, Brewer, Pearce or Arpaio has mentioned work permits, they&#8217;ve only screamed invaders and lock them up. McCain, once talked about those things, when he was under the guidance of smart people like Kennedy, but now that he&#8217;s on his own he doesn&#8217;t know who to pander to. </p>
<p>Show me the calm discussion about work permits, extending visas, fixing our immigration process so it actually makes sense&#8230; show me any of that from our wonderful Arizona GOP, and then everyone is ready to talk. Show us they want to fix the problem, rather than scare their voters into thinking the problem is really bigger than it is. We all know we have hard working illegals here, none of us have seen any facts about beheadings or invasions&#8230;and yet, here we are. </p>
<p>Remember, crime by illegals lowest in ten years, number of illegals coming into US lowest in ten years, most being deported by Obama Administration in more than ten years&#8230;..so again, what&#8217;s the &#8216;real&#8217; issue here? Bleeding only counts if there&#8217;s actual blood&#8230;otherwise it&#8217;s just a bunch of words.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtnewsnviews.com/2010/06/28/arizonas-pinocchio-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1757</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, That&#039;s why I said in my first post that we need to get the hard working illegals made legal with green cards and citizenship.  At the same time we need to deport those who commit crimes.  But first we have to stop the bleeding at the border.  I do not want folks here that didn&#039;t come through the gate.  If they had a visa, they came here legally and maybe stayed too long.  If our politicians would quit insisting that they all become citizens immediately, maybe we could take one step at a time and get these folks work permits and then they would be legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, That&#8217;s why I said in my first post that we need to get the hard working illegals made legal with green cards and citizenship.  At the same time we need to deport those who commit crimes.  But first we have to stop the bleeding at the border.  I do not want folks here that didn&#8217;t come through the gate.  If they had a visa, they came here legally and maybe stayed too long.  If our politicians would quit insisting that they all become citizens immediately, maybe we could take one step at a time and get these folks work permits and then they would be legal.</p>
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		<title>By: vince</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtnewsnviews.com/2010/06/28/arizonas-pinocchio-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, those stats were for the entire US, not for Arizona, and considering Arpaio puts DOZENS of officers in hispanic neighbors to stop them for anything from jaywalking to an out taillight in order to &#039;check their status&#039;, it&#039;s no surprise our numbers are higher. Something tells me if Arpaio decided to stake out Italian neighborhoods, we&#039;d have an oddly higher number of Italian&#039;s in jail compared to the rest of America....but it&#039; s not ethnic profiling, nope, not one bit....purely coincidental.

Now, just two nights ago Arpaio was reminded on CNN that 40% of our illegal immigrants actually CAME HERE LEGALLY, then their visa&#039;s ran out....because our immigration system is so slow and backwards (Normal Visa lasts about 2 years, our immigration process can take anywhere from 2 to 7 years, and if you leave, you start over), thus, they remained and are NOW considered illegal. Arpaio&#039;s answer....I don&#039;t care, LOCK THEM ALL UP! (cuz he likes to shout to make his points).

So if 14.8% of our prisons is costing $135 million a year....how much is &#039;lock them all up&#039; going to cost? And consider this:

It has already been proven that the work illegals do actually BRING MORE MONEY into a state then they cost that state, even when you take into account education, healthcare, emergency services and jail.... (http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/), 

and that they pay BILLIONS into our Social Security System, a system they will never actually get to enjoy....(,http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=3)

So then I ask you....if the state is making MONEY off of them and they are GIVING MONEY back into our system, then  we can&#039;t yell about the &#039;cost&#039; of illegals in our country, because the COST is actually a PROFIT. 

Which means this discussion cannot be about money, in fact, it can&#039;t really be about money or crime or taxes or anything that concerns what &#039;we are paying&#039; because of them, instead, it&#039;s about what &#039;we are making&#039; because of them....including lower food costs, lower motels costs, lower restaurant costs, and kids willing to die in our military.

So if you aren&#039;t losing money, and actually saving money...and STILL feel they need to go...at least be honest as to why you want them to go....cuz it ain&#039;t about money....right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, those stats were for the entire US, not for Arizona, and considering Arpaio puts DOZENS of officers in hispanic neighbors to stop them for anything from jaywalking to an out taillight in order to &#8216;check their status&#8217;, it&#8217;s no surprise our numbers are higher. Something tells me if Arpaio decided to stake out Italian neighborhoods, we&#8217;d have an oddly higher number of Italian&#8217;s in jail compared to the rest of America&#8230;.but it&#8217; s not ethnic profiling, nope, not one bit&#8230;.purely coincidental.</p>
<p>Now, just two nights ago Arpaio was reminded on CNN that 40% of our illegal immigrants actually CAME HERE LEGALLY, then their visa&#8217;s ran out&#8230;.because our immigration system is so slow and backwards (Normal Visa lasts about 2 years, our immigration process can take anywhere from 2 to 7 years, and if you leave, you start over), thus, they remained and are NOW considered illegal. Arpaio&#8217;s answer&#8230;.I don&#8217;t care, LOCK THEM ALL UP! (cuz he likes to shout to make his points).</p>
<p>So if 14.8% of our prisons is costing $135 million a year&#8230;.how much is &#8216;lock them all up&#8217; going to cost? And consider this:</p>
<p>It has already been proven that the work illegals do actually BRING MORE MONEY into a state then they cost that state, even when you take into account education, healthcare, emergency services and jail&#8230;. (<a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/?referer=');">http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/</a>), </p>
<p>and that they pay BILLIONS into our Social Security System, a system they will never actually get to enjoy&#8230;.(,<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=3" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=3&amp;referer=');">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html?_r=3</a>)</p>
<p>So then I ask you&#8230;.if the state is making MONEY off of them and they are GIVING MONEY back into our system, then  we can&#8217;t yell about the &#8216;cost&#8217; of illegals in our country, because the COST is actually a PROFIT. </p>
<p>Which means this discussion cannot be about money, in fact, it can&#8217;t really be about money or crime or taxes or anything that concerns what &#8216;we are paying&#8217; because of them, instead, it&#8217;s about what &#8216;we are making&#8217; because of them&#8230;.including lower food costs, lower motels costs, lower restaurant costs, and kids willing to die in our military.</p>
<p>So if you aren&#8217;t losing money, and actually saving money&#8230;and STILL feel they need to go&#8230;at least be honest as to why you want them to go&#8230;.cuz it ain&#8217;t about money&#8230;.right?</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtnewsnviews.com/2010/06/28/arizonas-pinocchio-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1747</link>
		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vineeya says that illegal aliens make up 4 to 8% of the prison population in Arizona.  That is not true.  According to CBS news on July 22, 2010, illegal alliens make up 14.8% of the prison population in Arizona.  The total amount in jail was  5,983.  That is almost one in seven.  That is like having 6 new prisons like the one proposed in Globe just for the criminal illegals.  At $62 (ADOC number) a day this is costing the State about   $135,000,000 per year.  What if this money was instead going to our Schools, or into ACCS for medical treatment of the poor.  


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20011391-10391695.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vineeya says that illegal aliens make up 4 to 8% of the prison population in Arizona.  That is not true.  According to CBS news on July 22, 2010, illegal alliens make up 14.8% of the prison population in Arizona.  The total amount in jail was  5,983.  That is almost one in seven.  That is like having 6 new prisons like the one proposed in Globe just for the criminal illegals.  At $62 (ADOC number) a day this is costing the State about   $135,000,000 per year.  What if this money was instead going to our Schools, or into ACCS for medical treatment of the poor.  </p>
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		<title>By: vineeya</title>
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		<dc:creator>vineeya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Brewer will be our next governor, because this state doesn&#039;t know any better, other than that I take everything else with a grain of salt. The illegal aliens make up 4 o 8% of our prisoners, 36% are White, 45% are black...so their &#039;criminal problem&#039; is in question. Considering such a huge population, the percentage of that population is oddly non-criminals. 

FBI statistics and the border towns have agreed and stated two things over and over. The amount of &#039;invaders&#039; (as you like to call them) has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY in the last ten years and is nowhere near what is was when Bush took office. Obama has actually given more money, manpower and deported more illegals in just a year and a half then Bush did over 8 years...and the funnest statistic of all, the FBI and border towns have also agreed that the CRIME rate has been the lowest its been in ten years. IF that guy was killed by an illegal (and that&#039;s still an IF), that would be the FIRST murder in that heavily populated illegal county in over TEN YEARS. A fact. 

So if they really aren&#039;t &#039;invading&#039; us and they really aren&#039;t a &#039;huge criminal element&#039; in Arizona, like the GOP likes to shout, what exactly is it that is causing good Americans to step forward? 

And....the greatest question of all, how come NOT ONE of them has tried to create Proper Immigration Reform instead of shouting about headless bodies, kidnappings and all the other nonsense? It&#039;s because it&#039;s an election year...and just like the Abortion issue, they like to scream values, be scared, etc....until the election is over...then suddenly....silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Brewer will be our next governor, because this state doesn&#8217;t know any better, other than that I take everything else with a grain of salt. The illegal aliens make up 4 o 8% of our prisoners, 36% are White, 45% are black&#8230;so their &#8216;criminal problem&#8217; is in question. Considering such a huge population, the percentage of that population is oddly non-criminals. </p>
<p>FBI statistics and the border towns have agreed and stated two things over and over. The amount of &#8216;invaders&#8217; (as you like to call them) has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY in the last ten years and is nowhere near what is was when Bush took office. Obama has actually given more money, manpower and deported more illegals in just a year and a half then Bush did over 8 years&#8230;and the funnest statistic of all, the FBI and border towns have also agreed that the CRIME rate has been the lowest its been in ten years. IF that guy was killed by an illegal (and that&#8217;s still an IF), that would be the FIRST murder in that heavily populated illegal county in over TEN YEARS. A fact. </p>
<p>So if they really aren&#8217;t &#8216;invading&#8217; us and they really aren&#8217;t a &#8216;huge criminal element&#8217; in Arizona, like the GOP likes to shout, what exactly is it that is causing good Americans to step forward? </p>
<p>And&#8230;.the greatest question of all, how come NOT ONE of them has tried to create Proper Immigration Reform instead of shouting about headless bodies, kidnappings and all the other nonsense? It&#8217;s because it&#8217;s an election year&#8230;and just like the Abortion issue, they like to scream values, be scared, etc&#8230;.until the election is over&#8230;then suddenly&#8230;.silence.</p>
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		<title>By: EC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 00:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all Brewer will be our next govenor.  So, get used to it.  I am not for open borders, so I believe SB1070 is a little drop in the bucket but it is a start.  We need to shut this invasion down and get rid of the criminal aliens that are here.  We need to keep the hard working immigrants and get them green cards and citizenship.  And if you don&#039;t beleive this is happening, check out this video taken from hidden cameras.

http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all Brewer will be our next govenor.  So, get used to it.  I am not for open borders, so I believe SB1070 is a little drop in the bucket but it is a start.  We need to shut this invasion down and get rid of the criminal aliens that are here.  We need to keep the hard working immigrants and get them green cards and citizenship.  And if you don&#8217;t beleive this is happening, check out this video taken from hidden cameras.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.gmtnewsnviews.com/2010/06/28/arizonas-pinocchio-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I wrote this article a tad too early, as Brewer is busy making up more stories based on non-facts. Of course, if we waited for her to stop lying, we&#039;d have to wait until she loses the race for Governor before we could write anything about her lack of facts-type-point-making.

Now she is saying they are finding beheaded bodies in teh desert, because of our illegal problem, of course those in law enforcement are pointing out this is actually not true. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/02/jan-brewers-beheaded-bodi_n_632185.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I wrote this article a tad too early, as Brewer is busy making up more stories based on non-facts. Of course, if we waited for her to stop lying, we&#8217;d have to wait until she loses the race for Governor before we could write anything about her lack of facts-type-point-making.</p>
<p>Now she is saying they are finding beheaded bodies in teh desert, because of our illegal problem, of course those in law enforcement are pointing out this is actually not true. </p>
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		<title>By: Benito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.

I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!

Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.</p>
<p>I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!</p>
<p>Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.</p>
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